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		<title>By: Alexander Limi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Limi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, Plone added versioning in the 3.0 release, which came out in Aug 2007.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, Plone added versioning in the 3.0 release, which came out in Aug 2007.</p>
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		<title>By: gfb1</title>
		<link>http://www.contenthere.net/2005/12/alfresco-and-plone.html/comment-page-1#comment-540</link>
		<dc:creator>gfb1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not really familiar with Alfresco yet, but I think that versioning is still badly missing in Plone... This can be a discriminating factor in choosing an ECM solution for compliance. Versioning is a major requirement to implement an iso 9000 system (not to speak about Configuration Management).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not really familiar with Alfresco yet, but I think that versioning is still badly missing in Plone&#8230; This can be a discriminating factor in choosing an ECM solution for compliance. Versioning is a major requirement to implement an iso 9000 system (not to speak about Configuration Management).</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Limi</title>
		<link>http://www.contenthere.net/2005/12/alfresco-and-plone.html/comment-page-1#comment-513</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Limi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 02:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also note that the upcoming Plone 3.0 has the plone.contentrules infrastructure (although that was not decided at the time you wrote this post :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also note that the upcoming Plone 3.0 has the plone.contentrules infrastructure (although that was not decided at the time you wrote this post <img src='http://www.contenthere.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
		<link>http://www.contenthere.net/2005/12/alfresco-and-plone.html/comment-page-1#comment-433</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point.  I guess it would be relevant to say here that Bruce Eckel&#039;s &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.mindview.net&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;website&lt;/a&gt;  runs on Zope.  Bruce&#039;s &quot;Thinking in Java&quot; is one of the best and most popular books on the Java programming language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.  I guess it would be relevant to say here that Bruce Eckel&#8217;s <a HREF="http://www.mindview.net" REL="nofollow">website</a>  runs on Zope.  Bruce&#8217;s &#8220;Thinking in Java&#8221; is one of the best and most popular books on the Java programming language.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Java != Alfresco.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; Most of the software the company I work for is based on Java. Still I do not agree that&#039;s a reason to prefer Alfresco to Plone. In fact we chose Plone for many compelling reasons:&lt;br/&gt; - We don&#039;t intend to extend or adapt Plone or Alfresco, just use it.&lt;br/&gt; - Even if we had any reason to extend it, Plone Archetypes tools makes it much more easy to the point that we can do it with graphical UML tools and some snippets of Python code.&lt;br/&gt; - Plone is extremnly easy to install and maint, even in its clustered version.&lt;br/&gt; - The underlying Zope platform on wich Plone runs is a master piece of act. To say the true I hace copied many of its designs patterns in my java software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Java != Alfresco.</p>
<p> Most of the software the company I work for is based on Java. Still I do not agree that&#8217;s a reason to prefer Alfresco to Plone. In fact we chose Plone for many compelling reasons:<br /> &#8211; We don&#8217;t intend to extend or adapt Plone or Alfresco, just use it.<br /> &#8211; Even if we had any reason to extend it, Plone Archetypes tools makes it much more easy to the point that we can do it with graphical UML tools and some snippets of Python code.<br /> &#8211; Plone is extremnly easy to install and maint, even in its clustered version.<br /> &#8211; The underlying Zope platform on wich Plone runs is a master piece of act. To say the true I hace copied many of its designs patterns in my java software.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About CIFS support in Plone, EnfoldSystems offers a Plone based product wich has a very good integration with Windows CIFS.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Even how, poeple are used do qualify Plone as a CMS, but i think it has most of qualities of a ECM system, which make it very usuful for this task. By this way, a single search in google with: plone cms, can return more than twice results than Alfresco and CPS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About CIFS support in Plone, EnfoldSystems offers a Plone based product wich has a very good integration with Windows CIFS.</p>
<p>Even how, poeple are used do qualify Plone as a CMS, but i think it has most of qualities of a ECM system, which make it very usuful for this task. By this way, a single search in google with: plone cms, can return more than twice results than Alfresco and CPS.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 15:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Lars&#039; question about having both Plone and Alfresco...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would not expect that Plone and Alfresco would be a good match for integration.  Plone is built on the the Zope platform (Python) and Alfresco is Java.  While these two technologies do have a common interface (WebDAV), I would recommed sticking with either Java or Python if for no other reason than managing the skillset of your IT organization.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There are two ways that I could see front ending Alfresco with a WCM:  store XML files in Alfresco and use a WCM type presentation engine (such as Cocoon) do dynamic display; or have the WCM system manage structured web content and have references to Alfresco for significant binary content (for example: white papers).   You could also have Alfresco push the binary content into the WCM at the end of the workflow.  In the latter way, Alfresco and Plone could be used in concert.  However, it may be better to standardize on one technology for maintenance purposes.  If you want to use Plone, Zope has some excellent document management capabilities too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Lars&#8217; question about having both Plone and Alfresco&#8230;</p>
<p>I would not expect that Plone and Alfresco would be a good match for integration.  Plone is built on the the Zope platform (Python) and Alfresco is Java.  While these two technologies do have a common interface (WebDAV), I would recommed sticking with either Java or Python if for no other reason than managing the skillset of your IT organization.  </p>
<p>There are two ways that I could see front ending Alfresco with a WCM:  store XML files in Alfresco and use a WCM type presentation engine (such as Cocoon) do dynamic display; or have the WCM system manage structured web content and have references to Alfresco for significant binary content (for example: white papers).   You could also have Alfresco push the binary content into the WCM at the end of the workflow.  In the latter way, Alfresco and Plone could be used in concert.  However, it may be better to standardize on one technology for maintenance purposes.  If you want to use Plone, Zope has some excellent document management capabilities too.</p>
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		<title>By: Lars Plougmann</title>
		<link>http://www.contenthere.net/2005/12/alfresco-and-plone.html/comment-page-1#comment-419</link>
		<dc:creator>Lars Plougmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for relaying your thoughts on two interesting products in the CM space.&lt;br/&gt;Instead of choosing between alfresco and plone would you see any potential for the two solutions complementing each other, e.g. using plone for an extranet application with content objects stored and versioned in alfresco&#039;s repository? Or plone as the &quot;missing&quot; WCM front end for alfresco?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for relaying your thoughts on two interesting products in the CM space.<br />Instead of choosing between alfresco and plone would you see any potential for the two solutions complementing each other, e.g. using plone for an extranet application with content objects stored and versioned in alfresco&#8217;s repository? Or plone as the &#8220;missing&#8221; WCM front end for alfresco?</p>
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		<title>By: sf</title>
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		<dc:creator>sf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 06:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Seth for spending time clarifying some points that are obviously wrongfully claimed by the Alfreso PR team. Alfresco can&#039;t be &quot;Open Source ECM&quot; (and even less &quot;The leader in Open Source ECM&quot;) since:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1. It lacks ECM features like a decent workflow.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2. Some important parts of Alfresco, that differenciate a CMS (like &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.plone.org/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Plone&lt;/a&gt;) from an ECMS (like &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.cps-project.org/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CPS&lt;/a&gt;) are not open source.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We did our homework last week with two blog entries, one providing a &quot;scientific&quot; assessment of &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/fermigier/2005_12_15_who-s-the-real-leader-in&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;who the most popular open source ECM is&lt;/a&gt;, this other one explaining more in depth why we feel that &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/eric_barroca/2005_12_07_open-source-ecm-now&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CPS is the right choice when it comes to &quot;true&quot; open source ECM&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Seth for spending time clarifying some points that are obviously wrongfully claimed by the Alfreso PR team. Alfresco can&#8217;t be &#8220;Open Source ECM&#8221; (and even less &#8220;The leader in Open Source ECM&#8221;) since:</p>
<p>1. It lacks ECM features like a decent workflow.</p>
<p>2. Some important parts of Alfresco, that differenciate a CMS (like <a HREF="http://www.plone.org/" REL="nofollow">Plone</a>) from an ECMS (like <a HREF="http://www.cps-project.org/" REL="nofollow">CPS</a>) are not open source.</p>
<p>We did our homework last week with two blog entries, one providing a &#8220;scientific&#8221; assessment of <a HREF="http://blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/fermigier/2005_12_15_who-s-the-real-leader-in" REL="nofollow">who the most popular open source ECM is</a>, this other one explaining more in depth why we feel that <a HREF="http://blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/eric_barroca/2005_12_07_open-source-ecm-now" REL="nofollow">CPS is the right choice when it comes to &#8220;true&#8221; open source ECM</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Rene VIDAUD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Rene VIDAUD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice article Mr. Gottlieb. Your vision of Plone is completly right. We, at Ingeniweb in France, have many  fortune 500 companies using this CMS. The latest and maybe the greatest is &lt;b&gt;L&#039;OREAL&lt;/b&gt; which uses Plone for many purposes : Large document management system (about 100.000 multimedia documents), Intranet collaborative portal, content managment, groupware, aso. Of course, what is fundamental for such big companies, is the reliability, the robustness and the incredible power of Plone when correctly tuned, developed and installed. In France, even the Gendarmerie Nationale (French Police) uses Plone for its Extranet to communicate with more than 40000 Gendarmes and the choice of Plone has been renewed recently and last for already 3 years. Thanks to all others Plone developers and to the Plone Foundation for such a nice and &lt;b&gt;completly&lt;/b&gt; Open Source CMS tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice article Mr. Gottlieb. Your vision of Plone is completly right. We, at Ingeniweb in France, have many  fortune 500 companies using this CMS. The latest and maybe the greatest is <b>L&#8217;OREAL</b> which uses Plone for many purposes : Large document management system (about 100.000 multimedia documents), Intranet collaborative portal, content managment, groupware, aso. Of course, what is fundamental for such big companies, is the reliability, the robustness and the incredible power of Plone when correctly tuned, developed and installed. In France, even the Gendarmerie Nationale (French Police) uses Plone for its Extranet to communicate with more than 40000 Gendarmes and the choice of Plone has been renewed recently and last for already 3 years. Thanks to all others Plone developers and to the Plone Foundation for such a nice and <b>completly</b> Open Source CMS tool.</p>
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